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It would have been nice if the article had mentioned how much the stipends are (range, minimum, etc.) Anybody know?
It must be a killer to be a graduate student, both because of the enormously difficult courseload at Stanford plus the day-to-day struggle with one's finances. I hope more and more financially strapped graduate students make their struggles known to department heads, administrators, student government leaders, and cultural groups so that as a graduate community there can be brainstorming and dialogue on how to best serve the silent needs of the graduate community. This is a topic whose time is due.
The minimum Research Assistantship at Stanford is $6953.00/quarter.
The minimum Teaching Assistanship at Stanford is between $6953.00/quarter (Course Assistant), $7545.00/quarter (Teaching Assistant), or $7,788.00/quarter (Gradute Teaching Affiliate.
Most graduate students are on research assistanships in the sciences, and only allowed to teach up to one quarter/year. I can't speak for departments outside of the natural sciences.
http://www.stanford.edu/dept/DoR/rph/RAMemo.html
Charles, those minimum salaries are for next year (2008-09). The minimum salaries for this year are lower by 5-6%.
Fortunately, Stanford is addressing this very issue by building new "high-end graduate housing" (Munger Graduate Residences, see the FAQs at http://mungerhousing.stanford.edu/), and eliminating funding for public transit subsidies for grad students.
Oh wait, those actions are creating MORE of a strain on grad student finances, not less.
$2,300 a month before taxes in California? I think I'll start selling tents to grad students.
I plan on inlcuding the following in a letter to the editor, but just taking a general chemistry student's scenario:
According to the Stanford Registrar’s office, a typical unmarried chemistry graduate student’s estimated expenses for 2008-2009 will be $6,698 per quarter, or $25,260 annually. This includes four quarters of the registrar’s estimate for rent ($11,764), food ($7,340), personal items and entertainment ($3,424), transportation ($1,200), and only half of the registrar’s estimated medical expenses ($1,532) since the chemistry department subsidizes half of Cardinal Care health insurance costs.
Like many departments at Stanford, the chemistry department pays the Stanford minimum RA stipend for graduate students, which for 2008-09 will be $27,812 annually ($6,953/quarter for four quarters). This is a surplus of $2,552 over this typical graduate student’s estimated expenses…until you take into account one expense Stanford doesn’t acknowledge – taxes.
100% of a graduate student’s stipend is taxable. Based on the 2007 tax tables, an estimate of how much the typical student will owe in Federal taxes on his or her RA stipend (minus a $5,350 standard deduction) is $2,587, and $898 in California state taxes.
Including taxes, this typical graduate student’s annual expenses are now $29,105, and so his or her annual stipend will fall short of this by $1,293 a year.
Remember, this is actually a pretty good case since the chemistry department does pay half of health insurance costs and this does not include book/education expenses (since most chemistry graduate students do not take classes after their second year). Using the entire Stanford Registrar’s office typical estimated expenses would lead to expenses of $32,671, or a $4,859 annual shortfall (around $1215/quarter or $405/month).
Of course they don't pay Grads enough to live on. But nothing will change until Hennessey personally feels repercussions from this. Nothing.
In the past, there have been camp outs on the quad, and even unionization at some schools. While the Admin is deserving of criticism, the grads also need to be held to account to show a backbone instead of the usual lazy apathy.
I see the biggest problem is in how they estimate the living expenses for the stipend as being for three quarters when many graduate students live and work on campus for 4 quarters.
I make $2000 (before taxes) as a single grad student in Boston and things are OK for me. I don't know why single Stanford grad students with $2300 are complaining...Grad students with families is another story but to those folks, I just want to ask them why on earth did they decided to start families while in grad school?
Is "unsatisfied" a word? Surely "dissatisfied" would have been more appropriate.
Grad students have had different life experience and background by the time they become ones. That's simply the reason why some of them have families already.
Who would of thought that people would actually want more money without working for it...
Let's just blow up the registrar's estimate for transportation expenses, assuming a graduate student owns a car (but doesn't drive that much).
Stanford parking permit for Escondido Village / Rains: $234/yr
CA registration: $142/yr (the cost for my pathetic vehicle)
Insurance: approx. $900/yr (and that's a low estimate)
Gas: $1120/yr (8,000 mi/yr at 25mpg and $3.50/gallon)
Other transportation expenses: buses, CalTrain, bridge tolls, etc, etc... $$$
SO, a realistic total for a transportation is actually over DOUBLE ($2396+) what the registrar budgets ($1200).
Sadly, no one has addressed the tremendous burden of TGR fees.
TGR Fees are a “reduced tuition” graduate students pay after they have fulfilled course requirements but are still conducting departmental research (that is, writing their dissertations). Currently, TGR fees stand at $2,760 per quarter, amounting to at least $7,500 a year for most graduate students.
Most universities charge approximately $1,000 per year. $7,500 per student per year is absurd, especially for someone who is not enrolled in classes.
Once a graduate student has reached TGR status, his/her four to five years of Stanford funding has run dry. For those who are not lucky enough to have been chosen for any number of highly-competitive fellowships, a full or part-time job is necessary. BUT WAIT! Once these grads have reached TGR, they are permitted to work ONLY seven hours a week.
Boston Grad Student:
How much are your TGR fees? And I wonder what the cost of living is where you are compared to the cost of living here in Silicon Valley.
Charles:
Please do include this information regarding TGR fees in your letter to the editor. Stanford Daily has published about these fees before. Take a look: http://daily.stanford.edu/article/2006/5/11/casaRaisesGradIssuesWithGsc
Most Humanities graduates receive five years of funding, but with four years of coursework, one year of university exams, dissertation proposals and fellowship applications, is it really feasible grads will complete their dissertations in that final year of funding? Not likely. I imagine the 60% of graduates who claim graduate education at Stanford is a financial burden are those who know all the facts and simply wait for the numbers to crunch them. And yes, these numbers don't even include that "4th quarter" of living, namely summer.
For 2007-08, EE grad students who have passed Quals are paid $2510 a month, which works out to $30,120 annually.
It would be good to look at other Universities as well- it certainly isnt easy at Stanford but grad students at peer institutions have it far worse. At Harvard, the stipends are not only lower- but the cost of living is far higher. Harvard doesnt offer the housing options or costs that Stanford students have - its tough all around out there. Stanford grads have it comparably very good.
"At Harvard... the cost of living is far higher"
What are you talking about? Silicon Valley has one of the highest costs of living in the country. Look at any cost-of-living comparison and you will realize this. Here are just a couple: http://www.bestplaces.net/col/ ; http://cgi.money.cnn.com/tools/costofliving/costofliving.html. Using one study, it's 26.3% cheaper to live in Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, Massachusetts than San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA. Those findings are consistent with every other study out there.
"Harvard doesnt offer the housing options or costs that Stanford students have"
A 500 square foot "1-bedroom" apartment in Stanford's housing costs $1335/month. And that's cheap compared to the surrounding community.
Starting in 1 year, Stanford is doing away with the only truly affordable graduate housing on campus (Crothers dorms). The graduate dorms will be replaced with "luxury" housing in the Munger residential complex. Rents for the new units are expected to be much more expensive than any options currently available.
And regarding your final comment above, you're probably right. Harvard doesn't have the "costs" that Stanford students have.
The GSC will be discussing this at their meeting Wednesday.
Thanks, GSC. I have a detailed graduate finances report I would like to send your way. Please post here if you wish to take a look at these documents and I will forward them to you (just let me know the address). "Steve is clueless," you are absolute right. The cost of living in Silicon Valley/Bay Area is astonishingly high. It is time to take a detailed look at graduate funding at Stanford and the real living wage in this part of the country.
My one concern about coming to Stanford as opposed to say, the mid-west, for grad school was cost of living. Looks like my concern was justified - thanks for making that decision easy.
P.S. Using one of the links above, 19k/year in Urbana-Champaign translates to more than 40k/year in your area. WOW.
i'm applying for phd at stanford. looks like things are not easy for us. where is the GSC? can they tell me how can i work it out with financial aid? house and other stuff?
Boston grad stud: i have an husband, should I leave him to have my opportunity to improve my career? do you have a private life?
Comparing Boston and Stanford:
Currently being in Stanford, and having done 4 years undergraduate in Boston, then 2 years after graduation, I feel able to make a comparison.
In general, the stanford area is more expensive. Housing is substantially more, believe it or not. Food and gas are both more expensive, as is car insurance ironically. The tax credit for rent in massachusetts doesn't exist worth squat in CA, and CA sales taxes (8.75%) take a chunk of flesh as well.
Case in point. 2 BR Apartment, Boston area, CL, average, $1500. In Silicon Valley: 2 BR Apartment, $2000.
The one area Silicon valley has an advantage: Heating oil.
hi budies,,i m vinod parmar from india. i have no financial support from my family and i am so much interested in graduate programme of aeronautics and astronautics.that is so much imp. for my life. i want to pursue that at any cost.can you guide me? how it can be possible for me? because i can not afford this much money.please guide me frnds....

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