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Report as: spam offensive Iceman on 11/26/07 at 4am

Umm... this "new" Cal tradition has been going on for since at least my frosh year at Stanford in 2003.

Report as: spam offensive JP on 11/26/07 at 1pm

"New"? Kal fans have been yelling over the national anthem since long before I started going to football games at Memorial Stadium in 1984. (Don't blame me - my parents are Kal alums.) Not only that, but the Weenies' version of the anthem follows in a long tradition of other sports fans doing the same; Baltimore Orioles fans yelling the word "O!" as the anthem begins is but one example. Bad sportsmanship? Personally, I don't think so; what the average fan yells to a ref is often more objectionable. And it's not like we at Stanford hold the anthem with the reverence it may deserve (As a former member of the LSJUMB, I can attest to an occasion when the Tree's mom asked us if we had played it poorly on purpose to protest the war). But bad fact-checking? Without a doubt. If one claims to have "grown up around" Kal fans, perhaps he should back it up with a even a smidgen of knowledge about their long-held traditions. Though I share the writer's conclusion that Kal fans infuse more than their share of bitter anger into the rivalry, his point would be better served if he presented evidence of actually having gone to even one Big Game himself.

Report as: spam offensive Ragnarok on 11/26/07 at 3pm

no, this is certainly not a new tradition, although it is usually restricted to football and basketball games in which there is no live performer to disrupt. for this reason at least, i'm a little embarassed by our fans' behavior. i'm also a little embarassed that one of our alumni was completely unaware of a long-standing Cal tradition. finally, i would like to note that during solemn moments, such as in the months following September 11, Cal fans refrained from shouting over the national anthem.

Report as: spam offensive Jahar on 11/26/07 at 5pm

Fans' actions can be on the border of funny and offensive, and sometimes they cross over. Do i think yelling over the national anthem is a bit over the top, yeah. I don't think Cal is alone in their bad sportsmanship, however. Stanford did do a halftime skit at BYU that involved polygamy, taking a jab at the Mormon faith.

Report as: spam offensive Re Jahar on 11/26/07 at 6pm

actually, polygamy isn't part of the Mormon faith, so how is that unsportsmanlike?

Report as: spam offensive Not a Cal Fan, but... on 11/26/07 at 7pm

Been to sports events lately? People shout all sorts of things over the national anthem, all over the country, in many different sports. I'm not one to defend the rabid Cal fans who do exist and who do disgrace their school, but I will say that this tradition, which is not new at all, is also not that unique, and altogether not that offensive.

Report as: spam offensive Random Cal fan on 11/26/07 at 10pm

Did a google news search on Big Game and this drivel comes up. Get off your high-horse Mr. Loo. If your looking for an example of lack-of-class in college sports, look no further than your own lame excuse for a band.
The way Cal fans sing the anthem is harmless fun that's been going on for many years..certainly during your time at Cal back in the early 2000s (did you go to any home football games?). That said, I agree that the fans at the volleyball game should not have shouted if a vocalist was singing rather than the typical band instrumental.
Happy Big Game week everyone!

Report as: spam offensive Jahar on 11/27/07 at 12am

True, I misspoke and polygamy is not part of the Mormon faith. However it was still offensive as it perpetuated an inaccurate stereotype. For more information check out the daily article from september 22nd, 2004 titled "Band’s Mormon-mocking halftime show leads to apologies, sanctions
Athletic Dept. apologizes, lets Band punish itself after field show that poked fun at polygamy"

Report as: spam offensive GoldenBear on 11/27/07 at 3pm

At least our fans care enough to attend sporting events.

Report as: spam offensive SportsFan on 11/27/07 at 4pm

Random Cal Fan--The Band may have its antics, but they stop them for the national anthem. The Band plays a beautiful version of the Star Spangled Banner, and the stadium is entirely quiet. It's a level of respect that Cal fans obviously can not understand.
Golden Bear--your ignorance is hilarious. Forget football. Have you ever seen a swim meet, soccer game, or basketball game at Stanford? I think not.

Report as: spam offensive ... on 11/27/07 at 8pm

SportsFan,
So the Stanford Band "stops (their antics) for the national anthem." How patriotic. Maybe you can explain the following....
"In 1991 at rival Notre Dame, a band member dressed as a nun and conducted the band with a crucifix instead of a baton. In 1986, the band was suspended for two games after some members dropped their pants and others urinated on the field during the halftime show during a game against the University of Washington."
Stay classy, Cardinal.
Source: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/08/05/MNG21KBVGU1.DTL

Report as: spam offensive J on 11/27/07 at 8pm

Not one to defend the new lyrics to the National Anthem, but this isn't about you, Stanfurd. Cal fans have been this at sporting events (and even graduations) for years, more as a joke in general, and not to slight you in particular. So get over yourself.

Report as: spam offensive SportsFan on 11/27/07 at 10pm

...: You use examples from 16+ years ago. Stay relevant, ...

Report as: spam offensive Ware Wendell on 11/27/07 at 10pm

The various commenters seem to be missing the point: It's about having respect for those who have sacrificed for our country and continue to serve our country in myriad capacities today. The national anthem is a time for shared reflection, a time for reverance, a time for unity. It isn't a time for partisanship. The fact that this Cal "tradition" was halted following 9/11 evinces an acknowledgement that it is crass and wrong.

If other so-called fans cheapen our national anthem in a similar way, they, too, should be called to task.

Cheer for your team. Root against the other team. But keep everything above board and take a moment to put your hand over your heart, sing the anthem as it was written, and demonstrate that you are deserving of the freedoms provided by your country.

Ware Wendell
A.B., Political Science, Class of '99

Report as: spam offensive Random Cal Fan on 11/28/07 at 12am

"demonstrate that you are deserving of the freedoms provided by your country."
...like, say freedom of speech?
Honestly, this is one Cal tradition I don't mind seeing fade into the history books. Ware Wendall - your argument about the pre-game Anthem being a time without partisanship is the best I've heard for discontinuing this practice.
That said, I still think this op-ed is way off the mark for writing off all Cal fans as "classless" because they partake in a bit of word-play while singing the anthem to express both national and school pride.

Report as: spam offensive BerkeleyAlum on 11/28/07 at 1am

"The fact that this Cal "tradition" was halted following 9/11 evinces an acknowledgement that it is crass and wrong. "
Yeah with this flawless logic, I guess it's also unpatriotic to root against the Yankees or criticize the president. America was a creepy, over the top patriotic place during the few months after 9/11 and I much prefer the before and after periods, ya know, when singing "home of the bears" isn't considered a jailable offense. (At least not in Berkeley.) I know this might blow yer mind, but it is possible to be a patriotic American citizen and not really take our British drinking song of an anthem too seriously.
The fact that it is played at EVERY sporting event insures that the event holds very little specialness to the audience...it's just a routine. Surprise, surprise, sports fans across America try and make the event a little more fun. Communists among us!

Report as: spam offensive BerkeleyAlum on 11/28/07 at 1am

Gonna correct my spelling error before someone pedantic does to try and prove a point. "ensures that"

Report as: spam offensive Cal Visitor. on 11/28/07 at 2am

Actually, if you watched the fans in question at the Big Spike, they were singing along with the rest of the national anthem with hands over their hearts. Maybe it's just me, but it's more offensive to have a soloist monopolize the singing than have a few rowdy individuals sing along and change words to fit something they take pride in.

Report as: spam offensive ... on 11/28/07 at 11am

SportsFan,
Stay relevant? Is the 2004 BYU incident relevant enough? Or how about the general culture of disrespect and irreverence (the point of using the ND and Washington examples) that imbues that Standford Band and its minions? Does that count?
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To be honest, I could care less about the Stanford Band and their antics...I actually find it quite funny. And as a Cal alum, I bore witness to and participated in some pretty lowbrow undertakings as it relates to Stanford and other rivals.
Even though i really don't care, i just think it is funny to see people suspended any form of objectivity for a week, replacing it with all the trappings of rabid fandom (fascistic ideological zeal, myth making, flawed logic, convenient memory loss, etc.). Truthfully, I think i am just pining for a fight...not much Big Game hype in Australia.

Report as: spam offensive yellow fever on 11/28/07 at 1pm

Actually, I rather enjoyed going to WWE/F events back during Stone Cold Steve Austin's heyday when those in the crowd would shout "WHAT?" at every pause in the national anthem. It may not have been all that tasteful, but then when you have singers who don't even get all the words right, how respectful is that?

Report as: spam offensive cal fan on 11/28/07 at 5pm

If you go to any sporting event, at the end of the national anthem, all of the fans will shout their team's name in place of "free" at the end of "home of the free".
As for cal fans being anti stanfurd, or course we are! It's one of the most heated and historic college rivalries in the country. it seems like it is just tradition to hate the other school, and you ruin the spirit of pranks, college, rivalries, and more if you have a problem with that.

Report as: spam offensive Observer on 11/29/07 at 12am

I'm no Cal fan, but I will add my two cents.
Maybe the writer should change his name to Howard Boo Whoo instead of Howard Loo. Stop crying about something trivial like this. I think Stanford fans should attend more sporting events and build a tradition of their own instead of knocking other traditions.
Take that win against Cal with pride if they are your rivals. Celebrate it and move on. Do not come back and whine about something like that. You'll look like sore losers.
Judging by the responses, it seems like the writer has no clue of what he is writing about. Even Stanford fans are saying that this is an old tradition. Care to explain yourself, writer? You'll probably just BS-ing about even going to Cal's law school.

Report as: spam offensive SportsFan on 11/29/07 at 1am

..., you didn't raise those before. Forget it, it's really not a big deal. The Band has it's antics, and there's no reason to apologize for them. They are who they are, and I also find them quite funny. I take a lot of pride in the National Anthem, and I hate to hear Cal fans--or any fans--disrespect it. This isn't a Cal v. Stanford thing, in my eyes. If it were Stanford fans doing this, I'd have the same reaction.

Report as: spam offensive A Loyal Californian on 11/29/07 at 1am

Wow. I never knew what we did would cause such an uproar (by one person, but seemingly not by anybody else). The Big Spike was an amazing sporting event and by far the best volleyball match that I have seen in years. Perhaps if you had actually taken an interest in the game instead of us you would have a better article to write. Like how it was one of the last games for four of the Pac-10's best volleyball players. Or perhaps how it was an amazing example of the best rivalry in collegiate athletics. So we say some words a bit differently. Did you sing the anthem? Because we did. Classless? Not in the least. A bit misguided as an outlet for spirit? Perhaps.
Before you jump to conclusions, look at the Big Spike as a whole. Stanford SOLD the student section as general admission. Money over spirit...Nicely done cardinal. The ushers forced us to sit down while their ten or so students were allowed to stand. Unfair...absolutely. So before you tear us apart for emphasizing the "UC" or saying "blue" or "bears" at least don't forget the part when we say "GOLD" as part of "star spanGOLD banner."
See you at the next volleyball match my friend. We'll be the ones in Cal gear having a good time.

Report as: spam offensive mrspoon on 11/29/07 at 4am

but it doesn't matter because women don't count as people.

Report as: spam offensive Green Leader on 11/29/07 at 4am

Everybody knows that neither school has any discipline anyway.

Report as: spam offensive GO BEARS!! on 11/29/07 at 10am

First of all, as an alum of Cal as well as stanford, you should know that we do those national anthem chants at our own games as well as, opponents'.

Also Don't make it seem like Cal Fans are the only ones with "no class," as you call it. Both teams have their days.

And Last but not least. Go Bears!!!!!!

Report as: spam offensive Are you kidding me? on 11/29/07 at 6pm

Look, Stanfurd fan if you have a problem with us exclaiming UC when the words "you see" are in the song ... or saying home of the bears, which seriously EVERY athletic team, pro or college does, you're barking up the wrong tree (pun intended). We're just exclaiming our love for our university, its no diss to the USA. If you went here for 6 years, you should know better, this is what we do, it doesn't hurt anybody, we still love our country, get over yourself, and use that advanced degree from Cal to get a real job ... one your bachelors from Stanfurd could never get you.

Report as: spam offensive Ware Wendell on 11/29/07 at 11pm

Would you embellish the playing of taps? Would you customize the Pledge of Allegiance?

You have the whole game to cheer for your team. The national anthem is about taking one moment to come together and pay respect to those who have sacrificed for this country.

It isn't Cal's anthem, or the Orioles' anthem, or any other sports team's anthem. It's the national anthem.

It's troubling to see that so many are unable to comprehend this fundamental point.

Report as: spam offensive Cali Rox Stanfurd Sux on 11/30/07 at 8am

Oh you poor misguided fools. Cal will kick your asses so bad this Saturday. You better get ready to have your asses handed to you!
FOCK STANFURD!!!

Report as: spam offensive Cali Rox Stanfurd Sux on 11/30/07 at 8am

Stanford fans are so self righteous is makes me sick! This from a group whose band destroyed their own building! Yeah that was smart! Idiots!

Report as: spam offensive Stanfurd sells degrees! on 11/30/07 at 8am

No, Wendell, what is really troubling is your pathetic football team and self aggrandized superiority! We all know Cal is a real school, for real kids. Stanfurd, on the other hand, is a place where degrees are wantonly sold to the highest bidder. Whomever’s Daddy or Mommy can offer the general endowment more money gets a degree! What a sham! Shame on anyone even remotely associated with Stanford! Oh and good job hiring that war criminal, Rumsfeld! You should be so very proud! Losers!

Report as: spam offensive Another Cal/Stanford grad weighs in on 11/30/07 at 12pm

1) I have degrees from Cal and Stanford, like the author. 2) I am a rabid Golden Bear fan, but I was delighted to see Stanford beat USC at the Coliseum this year.
3) I sing "blue" over "red" during the National Anthem, and am gleefully guilty of this expression of free speech.
4) I love America.
5) The judgmental Mr. Loo needs to lighten up and get laid.

Report as: spam offensive don't judge on 11/30/07 at 2pm

stop being a judgey mcjudgerson you prick

Report as: spam offensive Ricardo Vierga on 11/30/07 at 2pm

The simple fact of the matter is Cal is a much better school, and has so much more to offer the world compared to Stanford. For years Cal grads have shaped the futures of business, diplomacy and politics. Stanford grads are spoiled trust fund babies who go on to support 1000x$ a day coke habits!

Report as: spam offensive Avinash on 11/30/07 at 5pm

I'm deeply angry at your team's 4 win seasons every year and your awesome turnout at Big Games where Cal fans outnumber Stanford's 3 to 1 at YOUR stadium. It does a great disservice to the Big Game.

Report as: spam offensive Cal = Losers on 12/02/07 at 1am

You lost so shut the F*ck up losers.

Report as: spam offensive Cal = Losers on 12/02/07 at 1am

You lost so shut the F*ck up losers.

Report as: spam offensive CAL = Losers on 12/02/07 at 1am

You lost so shut the F*ck up losers.

Report as: spam offensive Danny on 12/02/07 at 6pm

I don't think it's really Stanford's position to call out the Cal fans. Isn't your band the most racist most disrespectful band in ncaa history? Weren't they suspended for making anti-Irish (i.e. drinking puns) at halftime against Notre Dame? Stanford's a great school academically, but I would never ever go there




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