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Report as: spam offensive Albert Franklin on 11/16/07 at 11am

I'm just supposing the ASCC did not vote for a resolution to find out who is behind a fellow Stanford Student because they support everything Arab terrorist do including the beheading noncombatants such as Daniel Pearl. It's one thing for him to be thought of on campus, but it would have been really nice of them to set as much time in trying to keep Rumsfeld off campus while bringing murderers to justice.

Report as: spam offensive Ted Rudow III,MA on 11/16/07 at 3pm

The US is reviewing its aid to Pakistan - about $10 billion in overt funding since 2001. Yet the Bush administration may push for continuing military aid for the Pakistani Army's counterinsurgency operations, says analyst Steve Coll of the New America Foundation. President Bush is nothing but the front man for the rich to keep control. He started out as their puppet, but puppets have a funny way of getting out of hand. So something very strange is happening in the world right now! This is why so many fascist takeovers happen. This is why Hitler, Mussolini, Franco and many others came to power. The rich are clever organizers who know how to engineer a military coup as the US did in Chile, Argentina, Central America and Venezuela.
Ted Rudow III,MA

Report as: spam offensive Ted Rudow III,MA on 11/16/07 at 3pm

The US is reviewing its aid to Pakistan - about $10 billion in overt funding since 2001. Yet the Bush administration may push for continuing military aid for the Pakistani Army's counterinsurgency operations, says analyst Steve Coll of the New America Foundation. President Bush is nothing but the front man for the rich to keep control. He started out as their puppet, but puppets have a funny way of getting out of hand. So something very strange is happening in the world right now! This is why so many fascist takeovers happen. This is why Hitler, Mussolini, Franco and many others came to power. The rich are clever organizers who know how to engineer a military coup as the US did in Chile, Argentina, Central America and Venezuela.
Ted Rudow III,MA

Report as: spam offensive Steve Fisher on 11/16/07 at 5pm

Mr. Rudow: You can say what you will about President Bush (God knows I support nearly none of his policies), however his choice to support Musharraf is not based on his need for "the rich to keep control," but rather on the consequences of democratic elections in Pakistan. If an election were held today in Pakistan, Islamists would probably win, and even if someone like Bhutto wins, her life will be in constant danger and the country will not progress. As much as I hate to say it, sometimes it takes a dictator to keep a country under control.
The reason the United States promotes democracy is that it is an American value; when people think of modern democracies, America is usually the first country to come up. In fact, America is the only country that was founded based on democracy and freedom. As soon as democracy in other countries fails to serve our interests, our 'obligation' to spread it is nullified. So for now, Musharraf gets our support over the other potentials with their unknown intentions.

Report as: spam offensive Atif Mumtaz on 11/17/07 at 1am

Mr. Fisher, I think your argument is quite flawed when you talk about who would win the next election. If you look at the history of Pakistan, the Islamists have never won more then 5% of the seats.
Secondly, no country has the right to dictate to any nation what kind of leadership they should have. Neither should any foreign power force a dictator upon the citizens of a nation. It is time for Pakistanis to take the destiny in their own hands and let them decide who they would like to be their next leader.

Report as: spam offensive Daniel on 11/17/07 at 11am

So, Mr Muntaz, if Adolph Hitler were around and we know what we now know, we have no right to stop him, since the Germans elected him? Is that what you are saying? What about after the war? Did we have the right to hang Nazi war criminals, since Hitler was "duly elected?"

Report as: spam offensive Steve Fisher on 11/17/07 at 2pm

Mr. Mumtaz: Unfortunately, Pakistan's political history is becoming irrelevant these days. Islamists have never had the popular support that they have now, in Pakistan and other countries. Their opinions permeate Pakistani society these days, and even those who disagree with them are being intimidated into listening to them. The possibility of them taking over is very real.
You talk about the rights of countries. The international system is fundamentally anarchic; it lacks a central enforcement mechanism that could force states to follow international laws. Therefore, every sovereign state has the "right" to do whatever it wants, as long as it can accept the consequences. The United States therefore does have the right to spread its influence in whatever manner it chooses. The only question is, will our support of dictatorships hurt us long-term? At this point, I feel that we are stuck in a rut with regard to Pakistan; Pakistanis do not like us for supporting Musharraf, but if we withdraw support our new enemies will take power. Any possibility of religious radicals gaining control of a nuclear arsenal must be avoided at all costs.

Report as: spam offensive To Atif on 11/18/07 at 5pm

Islamic supremacism is the problem here. Islamic supremecists have declared forcefully that western ways and western nations are detrimental to Islam. One just has to turn on the television or open a newspaper to see many of the Islamic wars in the world today and read the scary threats from Islamic leaders. If that is who the lay people of Islamic majority countries choose to elect, especially countries with access to weapons of mass destruction, then they will have to expect that the countries who are threatened by their choice of leadership will react to protect themselves. They usually elect tough talking leaders to counter. Can one talk or negotiate with an Islamic Supremacist leadership? I understand that all agreements and ceasefires are off once there is sufficient re-arming to destroy one's enemies for the sake of Allah. Please tell me that I am wrong.




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