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Report as: spam offensive Spudd Webb on 11/15/07 at 3am

"How could Stanford — a school that prides itself on diversity and tolerance, a school where cultural events and groups abound — have had such an ostensibly intolerant mascot for so long?"
I question this statement. Wasn't live-mascot performer Prince Lightfoot an actual Indian, celebrating his own "cultural event" by performing at football games? It's not like the school had a blackface stand-in. If an Amerindian celebrates the school mascot, how can that in itself be intolerant and offensive? Those 55 students have their right to their lobbying, but I don't think the jury is back in on whether Indians/Warriors/Vikings/Irish nicknames are offensive just because they're there.

Report as: spam offensive Confused on 11/15/07 at 5am

While Redskin is certainly an insulting term, Indian is not. The belief that it is is merely a creation of an overly PC America

Report as: spam offensive Stephen Kaufman on 11/15/07 at 5am

More than 99% of the more than 500 Native American Tribes have requested an end to the use of Native culture and imagery as sports mascots. After an intensive study, the United States Commission on Civil Rights came to the same conclusion as have dozens more education civil rights and religious organizations, including the American Psychological Association, the NAACP and the Southern Poverty Law Center. End of argument.... unless of course you also would like to see a dancing rabbi at half time performances of the Berlin soccer team.

Report as: spam offensive Alum on 11/15/07 at 7am

Each year, a Daily writer stumbles on the mascot storyline, something that's been covered in columns annually for literally the last decade and perhaps longer, and acts as though he's unearthed something new and noteworthy. If you have something new to add to current debates (and this article doesn't), fine, but get over Stanford's mascot history.

Report as: spam offensive I did not LOL on 11/15/07 at 8am

"Unfortunately, I haven’t gotten the memo on that one yet."
Nice punchline.
/sarcasm

Report as: spam offensive Mojofunk on 11/15/07 at 10am

"Spudd" conveniently fails to mention the disturbing Native American caricature that was part the "Stanford Indian." If you haven't been privy to it, just find a tailgater of older alums. Someone there will have the audacity to sport a button, label, etc. with it.
What organization, particularly a university, has the right to adopt and maintain Native Americans as a mascot, be it a caricature or some "noble" version?
The article references Stanford's history but is primarily about the appropriateness of Indian mascots in general. We'll get "over it" once the American League team decides to alter its own and when stubborn Stanford alums relegate their version to the dusty corners of their attics.

Report as: spam offensive Sam on 11/15/07 at 12pm

Wow, lots of comments already... on to my traditional response/defense of myself, as always.

Spudd: Actually, Mojofunk kind of answered that one, and I have a paper due today that I have to finish, so I won't write out the same response.

Confused: The reason I dislike the use of Indian mascots is, as Stephen said, because most Native Americans find it offensive. If they did not have a problem with it (as most Irish Americans do not with Notre Dame) then it would be fine.

Stephen: Glad you agree

Alum: I am a freshman, so I have not read any of the said columns. The article wasn't particularly about Stanford's mascot history though, it was more about teams like the Redskins that use them today. I threw in the Stanford stuff to make it more relevant.

Mr-not-LOLing: Ya know, the whole point of my article was actually just to make you, specifically, laugh out loud. Guess that one failed joke completely ruins the rest of the article, huh?
/sarcasm

Mojo: glad you agree as well.

Report as: spam offensive Tom B. on 11/15/07 at 6pm

"The Chief danced for the last time in February of this year at a U of I basketball game."

The dance of Chief Illiniwek at U of I games was always tactfully done and I thought it was an appropriate recognition of this country's fusion of American Indian and European cultures.

"His death came as a result of the NCAA effectively banning the use of all 'hostile and abusive' Native American imagery by its member schools."

Sam, I know you didn't mean this, but reading this sentence leads me to believe that the NCAA is most 'hostile and abusive' to the Indians themselves. After all, they killed Chief Illiniwek.

As someone with Cherokee and Algonquin lineage, it is my observation that the PC police on college campuses will not be satisfied until all American Indian heritage is eradicated from the national landscape.

I'm beginning to realize that the vast majority of academia is uncomfortable with Indians and their traditions in their midst. I'm not sure why - perhaps they don't want to be tortured by their "White Guilt." To them, American Indian culture should be solely preserved in museums and books or observed on the reservation like some fascinating foreign species in a zoo.

Report as: spam offensive Sam on 11/15/07 at 8pm

Tom: believe me, I am not trying to be a PC policeman. I understand that some people think of the native american mascots as an honor, and I'm fine with that. However, the problem is that many native americans think of the mascots as insulting caricatures (Stephen gave the number of 99%). You simply can't appease both groups. So, unfortunately, I think that you have to sacrifice the honor that some people feel for the sake of not insulting people. Ideally, there would be a way to both honor native americans and not offend others at the same time, but that does not seem to be possible.

Report as: spam offensive Chiefan on 11/16/07 at 12pm

Believe me, Sam, Stephen Kaufman has an agenda. Those are his figures. Ask most Illini fans and they will tell you the only "hostile and abusive" person around these parts is Stephen Kaufman himself. I would seriously question any statistic he throws out there. There is also a famous Sports Illustrated study done several years ago that said that most American Indians really didn't care or don't have a problem with Native American mascots or, in the case of Chief Illiniwek, an honored and respected SYMBOL. But, as somebody else pointed out, those on campus obsessed with PC seem determined to rid us of OUR history.

Report as: spam offensive Pronative on 11/18/07 at 3am

Maybe getting rid of the Chief was a good thing. The football team finally won a big game against Ohio St. For real, dont mess with the spirits of the Native American, lol!

Report as: spam offensive StanfordandUNDalum on 11/19/07 at 1pm

This is interesting b/c there's a whole discussion regarding the UND "Fighting Sioux" mascot going on in North Dakota right now. I am an alumni of both UND and Stanford and had to deal with the racism inherent to Native American mascots at both places (although most of my time at Stanford and UND was great). During my time in med school at Stanford (93-98), the Stanford Review tried to resurrect the Stanford "Indian" mascot and use it's associated caricature within it's paper. So I'm sure people like that will continue to make those attempts very 5 years or so. It is good to remember that even Stanford has it's own history of racism. We cannot forget our past or we will repeat it. Eventually UND will get the picture or be forced by the rest of the enlightened world to give up ownership of the identity of Native American people. Another Stanford alumni who has actually done research on this issue, Stephanie Fryberg, is cited on the following website: http://www.aistm.org/1indexpage.htm.




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