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Don't worry Kelvin, honey, I'll make sure nothing ever hurts anybody ever. More apple juice?
Wait, so they pulled the T-shirt because of one oversensitive mama's boy? I didn't hear anything about petitions or protests other than his e-mails.
I could have been eternally glorified on a T-shirt? Kelvin--you're keeping me down!
Thank you so much Kelvin for your work in the resistance. We must pounce fun at all times. Azia Kim is a joke, but we shouldn't laugh at jokes. Good job comrade Kelvin!
I'm gonna petition the store to start production of a Kelvin Sucks shirt line. I'll make sure every back has something to do with Azia. Honestly how can you even begin to defend her??? She spat in the face of the Stanford community.
I think people need to lighten up and quit overreacting to mildly offensive jokes.
Still, I have to hand it to Kelvin Vuong for his efforts and for eventually getting what he wanted. He deserves credit for following through with someone he believes in. Just goes to show that if you make a big enough stink about something, people will notice.
Man, after reading this, I realize I shouldn't make fun of anybody anymore. Lighthearted jokes at other people's expense isn't funny, it's hurtful. Really hurtful. I feel so ashmaed at my actions. Shame on me. Shame on all of us.
She deserves to be made fun of--she's a criminal!
I think we should ban all Cal shirts because some Cal student may have his feelings hurt. For that matter, we should stop telling all jokes because someone's feelings might be hurt. While we are at it, let's ban all free speech because we may say something that someone somewhere thinks is insensitive.
What kind of convoluted logic does the ASSU have that Azia who stole from Stanford may have her feelings hurt, but making fun of Cal students who have done nothing to Stanford is OK.
How about replacing it with "Stanford: Where the Fun Goes To Die."
I don't think it is fair to target Kelvin. Kelvin voiced more than just his own opinion when we brought up this issue. The ASSU obviously felt that this impacted more than one individual. A big enough portion of the Stanford community felt offended by this shirt which is why it was removed. I just ask that if this indeed "ruined your fun" please keep in mind that a significant portion of the Stanford community did not find this as fun as you did.
I don't think it is fair to target Kelvin. Kelvin voiced more than just his own opinion when we brought up this issue. The ASSU obviously felt that this impacted more than one individual. A big enough portion of the Stanford community felt offended by this shirt which is why it was removed. I just ask that if this indeed "ruined your fun" please keep in mind that a significant portion of the Stanford community did not find this as fun as you did.
I don't think it is fair to target Kelvin. Kelvin voiced more than just his own opinion when we brought up this issue. The ASSU obviously felt that this impacted more than one individual. A big enough portion of the Stanford community felt offended by this shirt which is why it was removed. I just ask that if this indeed "ruined your fun" please keep in mind that a significant portion of the Stanford community did not find this as fun as you did.
I don't think it is fair to target Kelvin. Kelvin voiced more than just his own opinion when we brought up this issue. The ASSU obviously felt that this impacted more than one individual. A big enough portion of the Stanford community felt offended by this shirt which is why it was removed. I just ask that if this indeed "ruined your fun" please keep in mind that a significant portion of the Stanford community did not find this as fun as you did.
I don't think it is fair to target Kelvin. Kelvin voiced more than just his own opinion when we brought up this issue. The ASSU obviously felt that this impacted more than one individual. A big enough portion of the Stanford community felt offended by this shirt which is why it was removed. I just ask that if this indeed "ruined your fun" please keep in mind that a significant portion of the Stanford community did not find this as fun as you did.
Sorry for the multiple posts...my computer spazzed out and I can't figure out how to delete a post.
difficult call but the fact there was a dialog on this is a good thing.
Based on these comments and the conversations I've had, the majority of people were not offended by the shirt. So why is the minority getting its way? It is also mentioned in the article that Kelvin said “She is not a joke and is a human being that deserves the same respect that we give to each other.” What about Lance Armstrong on the shirt 2 years ago? Kelvin didn't complain that Armstrong "is a human being and deserves respect" back then.
I wouldn't have been offended. Why did no one consult me? To be mentioned in the same breath as Lance Armstrong....my life's work is complete.
The ASSU "makes me feel sick to be part of the student body." Will you have disbanded by the end of the week?
Kim was being 'victimized'??????????????? GET A GRIP! GET A LIFE!
Have no fear - - some guy in Redwood City is already silkscreening the Azia version of the shirt---- keep an eye out for them on El Camino on game day.
Consider yourselves warned. The Azia Kim shirts stay.
And now Azia's causing earthquakes. Just great.
It's hilarious that half the objectors are freshmen--who WEREN'T HERE when the Azia debacle came out! Honestly, how can you comment on the experience of that situation?
I can say that almost every day that I am at Stanford, I am incredibly proud to be a part of a student body that is so driven, open-minded, and diverse. By reading the comments to this article, I am shocked that these words came out of my peers, students I associate with always striving to better themselves AND their communities, students who discuss the issues rather than simply dismissing them. Is it that easy in this case to dismiss someone's dignity, even if she did something wrong? Is it our place to make pass judgment and say it's ok to make a mockery of someone for our profit? Then to ridicule someone for standing up for his beliefs...I expected more from Stanford students.
Thank you Kelvin for speaking up and standing up to such a tough crowd.
I completely agree with Disbelief.
I came to Stanford hoping to come across people with class. Seeing my peers post some of the ridiculous and dismissive comments above is really disappointing.
I came in with high expectations of students here. I thought that students not only be intelligent and unique, but also that they exhibited a high level of ethical and mature behavior. It is obvious to me now, that this does not apply to all students here. It seems that when a student voices a concern that is clearly important to that person, people are quick to dissent and criticize without thinking why this issue was important enough to have been brought up in the first place. From this news article and issue, can you tell me which students graduating from Stanford will be the leaders working for a better society?
Get the hell of your high horse! If you want people with prods up their holes go to Harvard.
Who will be the leaders working for a better society?
The people who do not have time to complain about a T-Shirt.
Unfortunately, person above me, your "intelligent" and "mature" response has only confirmed everything I have said. To you and others, you only see a t-shirt, and not the issues that surround the design on the shirt. The shirt is just a shirt, just like a flag is just a piece of cloth. But the design of the flag means something and symbolizes what that flag stands for. Indeed, the design of this shirt represents a lack of compassion and class on the part of the Stanford student body.
I'm going to cry a river because "Am I really at Stanford" insinuated that I was not "intelligent" or "mature". Better yet, I'll send an e-mail to the ASSU to voice my complaints and they can't force you to stop saying mean things!
I'm going to cry a river because "Am I really at Stanford" insinuated that I was not "intelligent" or "mature". Better yet, I'll send an e-mail to the ASSU to voice my complaints and they can't force you to stop saying mean things!
Dear Geographically Uncertain:
The leaders working for a better society will be those who can distinguish absurdity from tragedy, who resist the impulse to regulate even unpleasant expression and, frankly, who learn how to take a joke. Big Game t-shirts are a traditionally edgy medium, and among a student body of 14,000 even the tamest designs are likely to offend someone. If you find yourself offended, don't run to an authority figure to make the offending idea go away; instead, use your rational faculties to convince the entire community that a joke is in poor taste. It is Kelvin's impulse to ban expression rather than to criticize it that draws my ire, and I eagerly await anything like a compelling argument that the proposed Azia Kim t-shirts ought not to be sold.
Awesome comment. 10/10. You just expressed my feelings exactly and did so better than I could ever hope to do.
I propose the Kelvin Vuong scholarship for the best essay on why it is a virtue to steal from Stanford and should be respected by everyone.
I am going to circulate a petition to force the Stanford Daily to stop allowing people to post comments. I find some of them insensitive. Only free speech that I approve of should be allowed in the newspaper.
I am going to circulate a petition to force the Stanford Daily to stop allowing people to post comments. I find some of them insensitive. Only free speech that I approve of should be allowed in the newspaper.
The issue here is not banning expression. It is not about taking a joke. A joke can only be told and reused only for so long before people find it really disturbing and old. Do you know how long this joke has been going on? Frankly, it is not funny anymore, and it is time for us to be wise and know when we need to stop. I'm definitely sure that students at Stanford are highly creative, artistic, and witty enough to come up with something clever, well designed, and humorous in a mature and responsible way.
I don't think the Azia Kim joke could EVER get old. It's so ridiculous that it is almost surreal. It's amazing--classic!
If the joke is "old" to you, why did you wade through dozens of comments to post your comment?
After reading some of the comments here, I find it strange that many people would ignore entire messages. "Expression" actually supports student creativity just in a responsible way, yet "To Expression" totally ignored the entire comment except for the part about the joke being old. I don't understand why students are defending a shirt that is not up to par with Stanford expectations of responsible conduct. Can someone explain that to me? (I am not asking for a blunt attack or criticism.)
Responsible conduct means banning something that some people find offensive? I don't think so. If he doesn't like the shirt, he shouldn't wear it. He shouldn't forcibly prevent other people from doing so. Yes, we should be responsible and respectful. Stanford should be a place of free expression of thought even more than the worry of "offending" people. We made fun of Lance Armstrong by name 2 years ago. Where were all the people who are complaining now back then?
Though I am not familiar with how we made fun of Lance Armstrong, and the following reason I'm about to give certainly does not justify making fun of anyone, but for the sake of discussion, I will state it. Making fun of Lance Armstrong, a 7-time Tour de France champion (an athletic, record-holding, wealthy, and famous individual), does not carry the same weight as using the misfortune of Azia to make money. Do we know the struggles and misfortunes that Azia had to undergo which led her to such desperate measures? She has been punished for what she has done. And certainly, if it was me who was made into a joke in front of an entire university, I would hope that the Stanford community would do the right thing.
What does "justify making fun of someone"? I think the standard you hint at restricts a frighteningly large class of humor. People who gain notoriety become the subjects of jokes; in the case of the proposed t-shirt, Azia's action really spoke for itself *as* the joke. This is, I think, an important point. When you do something stupid or funny, you ought to expect others to derive humor from your action. This expectation ideally figures into your decision to take the action in the first place. And generally speaking, if you're more willing to make fun of someone for surviving testicular cancer than for committing petty crimes, you may not be on the right side of the moral question.
SSE Shirts are popular? what the hell? why is everyone making a big deal out of it? Last time I checked, each dorm made their own clever and extremely offensive shirt. Very Few Examples: 1. a tree peeing on a bearskin rug. 2. Cal's "Fuck Stanford" shirts. 3. A tree sodomizing a bear. Nobody has to worry about the SSE. Who cares. Make your own Azia shirts.
I straight up just wasted so much time out of my life reading these posts... I got some good laughs
I hope the Stanfurd football team doesn't want to hurt the Cal football team on Sat... by the way where can I get one of those sweet "Cal goat raping champs" tees, as a Cal alum I'd be proud to wear that.