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Report as: spam offensive The City of Satire on 11/02/06 at 1am

Cara, you seem unable to distinguish between varying shades of sarcasm, facetiousness, and irony. Perhaps you should pay me a visit.

Report as: spam offensive A Modest Proposal on 11/02/06 at 3am

Yes, Mr. Franich is actually saying that Moneyhun is worse than the genocide in Darfur. And Jonathan Swift was actually advocating the consumption of babies. Nice touch there exploiting a tragedy to make your convoluted point. What's next, a Hitler reference?

Report as: spam offensive PWR rox my sox on 11/02/06 at 3am

I think most of your inadequacies in reading comprehension will be remedied by Stanford's stellar Program in Writing and Rhetoric, of which your beloved RF currently serves as the highly-esteemed associate director.

Report as: spam offensive Gus the Coot on 11/02/06 at 3am

Did you ever stop to think that not everyone participating in the dorm reunion chooses to drink alcohol? Even though they are over the legal drinking age, some Stanford seniors choose not to drink. By polarizing the situation into a choice of supporting either raucously drunk seniors or noble RF's who protect your fragile little minds from such horrible influences, you ignore the basic tenet behind Darren's argument: Clyde Moneyhun acted in a condescending manner unbecoming of a representative of an institution who's underlying non-academic purpose is to encourage mature, independent thought. No one is saying your RF is unlovable. It's just that his written communication skills would be much more effectively utilized somewhere other than a freshman dorm, say drafting Cease and Desist letters for the RIAA?

Report as: spam offensive Honeymun on 11/02/06 at 3am

Here is the e-mail Clyde sent to Phil. I apologize for the format butchering that will occur as a result of this woefully inadequate comment system. > On 10/9/06, Clyde Moneyhun <moneyhun@stanford.edu> wrote: > > Dear Philip, > > Your message to an old Branner chatlist has come to my attention. > I'm the current RF at Branner. I need to clarify a few things for you. > > 1) I don't know how you gained access to Branner to walk through it. No matter how you did it, you are not welcome in Branner. If I see you here again, I will have you removed. > 2) I don't know how you got the idea that you could hold an party of some kind at Branner on Thursday of this week. You will not hold a party at Branner this week or any other week. You will not come into Branner for any reason. If you attempt to have any event at Branner, this week or any other week, I will report you to the Resident Dean. > > 3) You will immediately send a new message out to the old Branner chatlist cancelling the event you appear to have announced. Copy me on the message. > > 4) If I learn in the future that you have supplied alcohol to any Branner resident at any party anywhere on campus, I will report you to the Resident Dean. > If I've misunderstood the meaning of your message or you want to talk about anything else, let me know. > > Clyde Moneyhun > Resident Fellow, Branner Hall > Director, Stanford Writing Center > Associate Director, Program in Writing and Rhetoric > Office of the Vice Provost for Undergraduate Studies

Report as: spam offensive Come on Clydie on 11/02/06 at 3am

I hope that the Branner freshmen who read this piece are more intelligent than little Miss Cara here. While your defense is rooted in love for your RF, Darren takes issue with the disturbing trend of University-Knows-Best that began before your time with the ban on alcohol in common areas of freshman dorms, continued with the Bike Ban, and is currently a product of the new crop of pro-authoritarian RF's. Why should Darren care when he is not a Branner alum? This incident could become the precedent upon which all future reunions are banned. I'm sure that by the time you finish up your first quarter IHUM requirement, you'll begin to realize that there is more here than whether or not seniors are allowed to come back to their freshman dorms to get you sloshed. If you'll notice in Clyde's email, he has unilaterally banned Phil from coming back to Branner for any reason whatsoever, forever. If Phil happens to date someone from Branner, he will not allowed to spend time in her room. If Phil wants to flyer for Stanford Finance (he's the current CFO), he is not allowed to do so in Branner. If Phil is in a group with current Brannerites, he is not allowed to work on a project in Branner. If Phil wants to attend a (non-alcoholic) Branner party, he will be asked to leave. And all for taking it upon himself to organize a reunion. Did you know that this year's senior class was the first class in Branner after the remodel, for which Branner was closed for an entire academic year? Congratulations, Clydie Boy, five weeks on the job and you've already managed to alienate an entire year of Brannerites. You don't deserve to be an RF in Branimal House.

Report as: spam offensive Ban Clydie on 11/02/06 at 3am

I'm sure that when the University goes to solicit an alumni donation from Phil, he'll remember how he is no longer welcome in his freshman dorm. Stanford goes to great lengths to cultivate relationships with current and past students for purposes beyond donations: job connections, community service, academic research. Way to drop the ball on this one, Clyde.

Report as: spam offensive All you need is love on 11/02/06 at 4am

Unfortunately, loving your RF's does not excuse the heavy-handed manner that Clyde chose to handle the situation. Like you said, we are in "purportedly open-minded and intellectual university environment." I really hope that by the time you finish your writing requirements, you'll have an argument that amounts to little more than OMG I TOTALLY LUV MY RFs THEY ARE THE BESTEST I HEART MONEYHUN LOL BRANNER RULEZ!!!!1 Please, such a cheap emotional defense will never hold up in an academic environment. It's like rebutting Benjamin Disraeli by throwing a teddy bear that is dressed in a fireman costume holding a heart that says "I Wuv U." Ineffective and childish. And I agree with Fugly, the only time I'd hit you would be with a stick. Bad Cara. Baddddd.

Report as: spam offensive Asya Karchemskiy on 11/02/06 at 10am

Dear Cara,
I truly hope that you came to Stanford to learn both in your classes as well as from your interactions with other people, so I am surprised at your remarks of not needing any advice from upperclassmen and your suspicion of seniors who want to hang out with freshmen. I have lived in four-class dorms all of my years at Stanford, and believe me, upperclassmen have a lot to offer. Regarding the freshmen - you guys are not a seprate species, so people from other classes may want to spend time talking or partying with you. I am not sure why you find that suspicious...
Branner has always been famous (or infamous) for its spirit, so the attempt of the current RF to control the reunion worries me (even more so if the email attributed to him above is indeed his).
Branner's history is filled with friendships, parties, fun, and love/hate relationship with the rest of the campus. If you are not sure what I mean - ask the upperclassmen.

Report as: spam offensive Michael on 11/02/06 at 1pm

Some of you guys need to lighten up. Cara has every right to state her case - no matter how misguided some of us find it - and we shouldn't resort to invective in refuting it. Don't be jerks. I'm looking at you, fugly. That said, I found the RFs reaction troubling when I initially read about it and now, with Moneyhun's e-mail posted for all to see, I feel doubly distressed. Cara, the unannounced reunion has been, in one form or antoher, a tradition for ages. It's not like this year's seniors are some sad and nostalgic group who invade old dorms in a futile and pathetic attempt to touch the past. On the contrary, they're part of tradition and, since most of them probably experienced the very event your RF so flatly rejected, they're better able to judge the merits of that tradition than some unitiated freshman. Frankly, Monneyhun should have anticipated this event. That he did not - and, indeed, that he acted as though Phil had done something uniquely terrible - is troubling. And, Cara, I know that as a freshman at Stanford you feel as though you've got a lot figured out. Trust me, you don't. Having experienced the collegiate experience myself, and having observed others during my two years as an RA, let me assure you, freshmen don't know much and upperclassmen have a lot of share.

Report as: spam offensive A Tradition for ages on 11/02/06 at 1pm

Michael, this is the point everyone should emphasize. Dorm reunions aren't for boning freshman girls or exploiting youngsters. They are a tradition, one that builds community between years. Living in Otero or J-ro or Branner or Donner is not just a one-year isolationist experience - it is a formative part of your experience at Stanford. Maybe in a year, when Cara is going through the sophomore slump while living in some dull upperclass dorm, she'll realize why people want to have reunions - to share in an experience with other people, to feel like Stanford is actually a connected community, to have fun with folks that you don't know, and to take a little bit of a risk in living. Nobody's shoving cocaine up your nose, Cara. They're trying to have a bit of fun, and not at anyone's expense. Just fun. Hard to believe, but fun does happen amongst people outside of insular freshman communities, and it can even happen across such communities.

Report as: spam offensive Social on 11/02/06 at 2pm

Cara -
Would you feel the same toward Clyde if he communicated with you in this manner?:

"No matter how you did it, you are not welcome in Branner. If I see you here again, I will have you removed."
-Clyde "Warm and Fuzzy" Moneyhun

Report as: spam offensive God on 11/02/06 at 3pm

cara, you've embarrassed me and you've embarrassed yourself

Report as: spam offensive on behallf of branner II on 11/02/06 at 3pm

Wow.
who said that you could speak on branner's behalf or on our feelings about the branner reunion and our RF's. please, speak for YOURSELF and only YOURSELF.

Report as: spam offensive John on 11/02/06 at 3pm

Well written, Cara. You are in the right here. The desperate and frankly pathetic invective of your detractors make clear they don't have any real rebuttals to offer you.

Report as: spam offensive Mike on 11/02/06 at 4pm

This letter is pretty bad, and obviously immature. Though multiple aspects of Cara's letter (and the RF's letter) are disturbing, I'll chime in on just one part...
Dearest Cara, Branner is as much YOUR dorm as it is anyone who has lived there! I would even extend that to anyone who has ever gone to Stanford. The beauty of Stanford is that it belongs not only to the present group of students, but also to everyone who has ever walked its halls. We all own Stanford. If this isn't true, please contact the Stanford Alumni Association ASAP, and tell them to stop calling me for donations!!!

Report as: spam offensive Michael on 11/02/06 at 4pm

John,
I agree that most of these comments are out of line. Cara's being unfairly assaulted for offering an unpopular opinion. That said, if you dig through the sludge, there are some legitimate arguments, not the least of which involves the tradition Cara and Moneyhun have so irreverently dismissed. If nothing else, I don't see how you can approve of the RF's holier-than-thou handling of the matter.

Report as: spam offensive anonymous sophmore ex-brannerite on 11/02/06 at 5pm

I no longer feel welcome in Branner Hall.. Thanks a lot Clyde.

Report as: spam offensive Editor on 11/02/06 at 6pm

Inappropriate comments have been deleted. Please keep it civil and constructive. Personal attacks will be removed.

Report as: spam offensive Brannerite on 11/02/06 at 7pm

Social: that wasn't the case. Clyde didn't allow the reunion to happen because of the combination of not even notifying him it was happening and some sketchy-looking wording in the intercepted email, not because of any views towards tradition or college drinking.
Thanks Cara.

Report as: spam offensive Censored on 11/02/06 at 7pm

Personal attacks will be removed? How about this one: "Don’t worry Darren; "the impressionable Branner freshmen do not respect [Clyde] any less" for all of your defamation. We love him even more. In fact, what has impressed us most is how unimpressive you are."

Report as: spam offensive Stanford is Dying, Fight! on 11/02/06 at 7pm

Kennell is turning in his grave.
What was once a place of acceptance has been turned into something genuinely not special.
Stanford is dying because of people like MooneyHoon, and things like the bike ban, and the band ban. Fight for her, sons and daughters! Fight!
PS penthouse 4 lyfe!

Report as: spam offensive Inappropriate Comments on 11/02/06 at 11pm

Editor: I find your personal attack against me uncivilized and deconstructive. Please remove yourself.

Report as: spam offensive Brannintendo on 11/03/06 at 1am

Good lord - this is the kind of tools we are admitting to Stanford now? It makes me sad - these bans will keep rolling in if this freshman class just bends over and takes it like Cara here, and hell, gives up and passes on hugs and kisses to the pitchers - this is ridiculous.
Funny note on how she will be remembered for this, because its true. The upperclass Branner e-mail lists are on fire these last few days, you're our new celebrity Cara ;)

Report as: spam offensive Sami Bandak on 11/03/06 at 1am

Hello
My name is Sami Bandak and I am a businessman visiting my offices in Paris, France. While there yesterday, I came across those diehard Cardinal students exhibiting signs of the Stanford Cal game. These kids were very creative, using the Eiffel Tower as part of their sign. I sent the photos to the advertising department since it was the only email address I could find for your paper. Hope you receive them. They are very creative. Ironically, my daughter Annie Rodkins graduated from your engineering school.
Submitted by Sami Bandak
Go Cardinal

Report as: spam offensive Sami Bandak on 11/03/06 at 1am

Hello
My name is Sami Bandak and I am a businessman visiting my offices in Paris, France. While there yesterday, I came across those diehard Cardinal students exhibiting signs of the Stanford Cal game. These kids were very creative, using the Eiffel Tower as part of their sign. I sent the photos to the advertising department since it was the only email address I could find for your paper. Hope you receive them. They are very creative. Ironically, my daughter Annie Rodkins graduated from your engineering school.
Submitted by Sami Bandak
Go Cardinal

Report as: spam offensive In Support of Cara on 11/03/06 at 1am

As a Branner freshman, I'm surprised and a little disappointed about the immaturity of the personal attacks directed at Cara. I expected Stanford students to be civil, even if they happened to disagree with a letter to the editor. I'm also a disappointed in the Daily's blatantly one-sided story defaming our RF Clyde Moneyhun, as well Darren's editorial. It was just incredibly unnecessary to personally insult Clyde, even if one disagreed with his decision.

Report as: spam offensive Justin on 11/04/06 at 12am

Wow, I'm surprised there are some people defending this RF Moneyhun. Seriously, are we college students or are we pantywaist tools? The day college students can't have a little party without being treated like terrorist criminals is a sad, dark day indeed. That's all I have to say.

Report as: spam offensive I'm so embarassed they let you in on 11/04/06 at 6am

Cara seriously, do you understand that Darren didn't mean to imply that Brannergate is worse than Darfur that he was you know kidding? Humor hasn't been banned in Branner along with fun has it? Here's another device for you. Irony. Irony is defined as someone who lauds her own intelligence and states that she doesn't need any guidance from upperclassmen yet has to be told when someone is being sarcastic and ironic. Your fantabulous RF is head of the writing center, perhaps he can teach you how to read an OpEd.

Report as: spam offensive What would JC Branner do? on 11/04/06 at 9pm

Tape new episodes of the 'Stanford Daily Show' fill the audience with past Brannerites and Darren can interview Clyde. If we're no longer 'welcome' to come over and reminisce at Branner... let's have the reunion in Clyde's neighborhood, just perhaps we will be more welcome there. Ah, what would the world do without ZabaSearch? Hey, that's another controversy all together.

Report as: spam offensive I'm embarrassed that you have to pay to go to school with some of these people. on 11/05/06 at 6pm

As an outsider reading these articles and comments, I have to say that I was surprised at how violent and spiteful students at Stanford are. Universities in California have always been known as beacons of education and liberality in our country, places where a student could be free to express an opinion, and, while some of the dissenting arguments are well-worded and well-thought, I was surprised at the sexual threats and abundance of hateful words in a place with such an impressive reputation. Keep writing Cara.

Report as: spam offensive stanford doesn't suffer fools gladly on 11/06/06 at 3am

You're right Cara. No one should interrupt your IHUM time in fact you should start on your PWR1 and PWR2 ASAP. If you misinterpret something as simple as Darren's piece I shudder at what you can do/did to Achebe or Huxley.
To the poster above me, it is precisely due to Stanford's impressive reputation that I'm ashamed of Cara. While we tolerate opinions, we do not tolerate condescension, arrogance and sheer literary stupidity. I know of people who spend days writing their letters to the editor, researching and editing their piece several times before submission. This girl not only insults other Stanford students, turns her nose up at guidance from upperclassmen and alienates alumni by stating that her and other current residents now own Branner (who I hope she isn't in the Alumni welcoming committee) but writes a letter to the editor so devoid of any personal introspection or analysis of Stanford culture and traditions as well as rudimentary understanding of a simple editorial that she is deserving of any and all derision that comes her way(though not of course threats). Stanford writers and journalist are some of the most famous and accomplished in the world. The university that produced Steinbeck and Daniel Pearl should NOT have someone who is too dense to understand the Onion.




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