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Report as: spam offensive T on 11/02/06 at 10am

Kate Hayes' attempt at intelligent commentary is nothing but a poorly written excuse for satire predicated on a dishonest straw man fabrication. Is The Daily hurting for contributors or something? This stuff wouldn't pass muster at a decent high school newspaper. Ms. Hayes shows she understands neither the conservative principles she purports to deplore nor does she understand honest, effective satire. Her caricature is laughably off-the-mark and reeks of the kind of out-of-touch, "we care more than you" behavior seen too often in the Stanford echo chamber of left wing teaching. The whole article deserves to be dismissed as such, but what should be pointed out in particular is her seeming suggestion (as I interpret it) that conservatives and/or Bush supporters condone or excuse rape of women; this kind of accusation is simply repulsive and idiotic. Why doesn't Ms. Hayes try directing her attention at the despicable treatment of women in many Islamic countries? I wonder if she read about the prominent Muslim cleric who recently likened women to uncovered meat that attracts sexual assault and ought to be covered and locked away? Nothing to say about that, huh? The fact that she ignores such outrageous treatment in favor of Bush bashing makes me question her sincerity, judgement and honesty. From what I can tell, conservatives are the ones most loudly protesting the appalling treatment of women around the world (and especially in Islamic countries), so I'd suggest Ms. Hayes and others living in her cocoon wake up or have the bravery to acknowledge who the real enemies of women's rights are.

Report as: spam offensive Wendy on 11/02/06 at 2pm

I totally agree with the first comment and I would also like to suggest that Kate visit a rape crisis center and talk face to face with women who have been violated. She seems to be commenting on things she knows absolutely nothing about. She probably won't complain about her rights being taken away, because I doubt she knows what her rights are. It is sad to see somebody so young to be so completely nieve and angry.

Report as: spam offensive PaleCast on 11/02/06 at 5pm

Whether people think Kate Hayes' satire of right-wing politics is fair or not, I hope we can agree that she is correct in this specific case: people's bodies are their own property, so they have a right to be able to withdraw consent during intercourse.
The second commenter didn't seem to get that the article was satire. The first commenter engaged in specious moral reasoning: just because women in other countries suffer greater injustices than women here, it doesn't mean that the smaller injustices women face here aren't deserving of remedy. This is an article about injustices to women in America, not about injustices to women in other countries.
Sadly, there are a couple points in the article that are actually true, even though they are supposed to be satire. Hayes (satirically) says: "We’ve instituted sexist policies that favor women over men and enable women not only to have sex out of wedlock, but also to blame men for it." Unfortunately, there are many examples of sexist policies that DO favor women over men (also allowing women to withdraw consent during sex is NOT one of them). For example, if a woman commits paternity fraud, commits statutory rape with a boy, or gets herself pregnant from raping a man, the guy has to pay her child support for the resulting kids. In these cases, men are made to pay (metaphorically and literally) for the choices of women, even if they are adolescents or rape victims. From http://www.supportguidelines.com/articles/art199903.html :
------The father argued that because he did not have sex voluntarily with the mother, he was not liable for child support. The court disposed of the argument, comparing it to the arguments made in L. Pamela P. v. Frank S.: the wrongful conduct of the mother in causing conception did not obviate the father's support obligation. The court also compared the father's argument to the arguments put forth in the statutory rape cases, concluding that the "rape" of the father could not preclude a finding of liability for support.-----
While protesting policies that are sexist to women, it is neither necessary nor accurate to deny that they are many policies that are sexist to men. Sexism and privilege are not one-way streets.

Report as: spam offensive T on 11/03/06 at 11pm

No, this is not an article about injustices to women in America; first and foremost this is an article about presenting a false (and laughably false at that) picture of some supposed prevailing conservative attitude or sum of attitudes, thereby giving its self-superior author a chance to satirically (though ineffectively) express her indignation. Hayes jumps from suggesting that the right condones or excuses rape to suggesting that immigration enforcement is a scare tactic to arguing against terrorist profiling, etc. As I wrote earlier: Her caricature is laughably off-the-mark and reeks of the kind of out-of-touch, "we care more than you" behavior seen too often in the Stanford echo chamber of left wing teaching. The whole article deserves to be dismissed as such, but what should be pointed out in particular is her seeming suggestion (as I interpret it) that conservatives and/or Bush supporters condone or excuse rape of women; this kind of accusation is simply repulsive and idiotic. Now what really bothers me is that I never hear our feminist activists decrying the treatment of women in Islamic countries. It's not uncommon for women in these countries to be treated like dogs (heck, worse than how we would treat our dogs!), girls' bodies mutilated, passed around like the private property of men... forget the right to vote (which is not granted to women in Qatar, UAE, Saudi Arabia or Oman)... in some countries rape victims are stoned to death. You would think they'd have oh, I don't know, at least a word or two to say about Islamic culture's vile treatment of women, given that it's not exactly a small, isolated phenomenon. Maybe the so-called feminist groups on campus are too busy hatching up more great ideas like the time they went out and scribbled things like "RAPE FREE ZONE" in chalk outside our campus frat houses. Or maybe they think criticizing Islam would be too pro-Bush or too politically incorrect. Who knows. But I just can't take anyone seriously who purports to support women's rights but remains silent about the worst threat to women's rights (Islamic culture- yes, I said it), preferring instead to rail against "evil" Bush and the supposed wrongs of the United States more generally. To me this isn't sincere feminism but rather typical wholesale left wing, anti-American politics masquerading as feminist activism. I suggest reading Irshad Manji and the late Susan Okin (former Stanford prof.)-both non-conservatives, actually- who have some interesting things to say about issues related to this discussion in some way or another. But bottom line regarding Ms. Hayes' column is that it's lousy and I'm frankly tired of the fake feminists on campus.




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