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Report as: spam offensive Pharmer on 10/30/06 at 6pm

Perv on the Dollies? hahaha
being a medical professional who has worked in Palo Alto, I can say it's absolutely true

Report as: spam offensive dudeguy on 10/30/06 at 11pm

If only we could get the alumni to cheer. I like #6. Were you on drugs when you wrote this?

Report as: spam offensive Cal fan on 10/31/06 at 10am

As a Cal fan who sat through your seven game long Big Game win streak, and some of the Bears' worst post world war two seasons, I have to say that I have enjoyed the extent to which stanford fan support has fallen in the last five years. That the fall of cardinal fan support correlates to the fall in the team's on field ability is not coincidence. Rather, it confirms my long held assertion that Cal fans are true fans of their team while stanford fans are for the most part a bunch of expensive weathervanes. Even in Cal's darkest days, Bears fans matched or exceeded your fans in attendance at Big Games on the farm. The embarrassment of last year's Big Game in which even newspapers were commenting on the majority of blue and gold in the stands was a disgrace to your school. This year I don't think you've sold out your new stadium even once and you are going to be 0-12, so stop dreaming about rising up against the Trojan$ or Golden Bears. You can't even beat UC Davis or San Jose St. let alone hope to upset U$C or the Bears. Face it, your program is in a shambles. It's fallen and it remains to be seen if it can get up. That its collapse comes at a time when the Cal program is on the rise gives me hope of Cal's continued Big Game domination for the next five years. Expect no surrender from the Bears' players, and certainly no mercy from Cal fans. Its one thing to hate a team because they are good. Look at how the majority of fans eventually turned on the Yankees and the Dallas Cowboys after they became too dominant for their own good. Eventually the tide of fan sentiment turned against them and they engendered previously unknown levels of hatred. This is not the case with stanford. Bear fans don't hate you because you are good; they hate you because you are from stanford. This means that you can expect no appreciable decrease in the level of vitriol and denigration that will be directed at you at the Big Game. Maybe your football team should just "tap out" like your rugby team did in 2001 and avoid the conflict altogether?

Report as: spam offensive To the Cal Fan on 10/31/06 at 10am

It doesn't matter whether we win or loose in football. We'll still be better than you.

Report as: spam offensive Eric on 10/31/06 at 11am

1. reread the article Cal douche. Rising up is about supporting the team, not beating the Trojans. 2. You are touching yourself too much. I've spoken first-hand and seen posts on this very website by Cal fans from your dark times, who said that memorial stadium was an empty cavern for many games in the mid-late 90's. Stop patting yourself on the back for having a bigger student body than ours - I bet the same percentage of students are fair-weather fans, you just have a larger pool to draw from. Plus, you guys love following each other and doing what the majority does. Congrats! I also commend you for taking credit for your football team's success in the last 5 years. Lord knows you were the one who lowered admissions standards and brought in a ton of JC transfers to bolster your talent. I also saw you last week with that stunning defensive play. To conclude, we know that you won't hate us any less at this year's big game. It shows us that you have a whole lot of issues with being the lesser school. Football games don't change the fact that you still hate stanford. Big game losses don't change the fact that Stanford still doesn't care about Cal - it's one of those pretty good schools. Like a really, really, really big high school.

Report as: spam offensive Cal fan on 10/31/06 at 8pm

To Eric and "to the Cal fan"
As far as team support goes you guys aren't the problem. Neither are the stanford alums who continue to come to games and support the team. Your school's problem is the students who don't care and the Alumni (both recent and old line) that have virtually given up during your team's uncharacteristic span of mediocrity. The point raised about student body size is a valid one, however I have seen stanford's attendance at Big Games drop in real terms. I'd estimate that Cardinal fans as of the last Big Game at Cal fill less than half the sections at Memorial that they used to. And stanford fan representation at stanford for last year's big game was the lowest I've ever seen it in 20 years.
And as for the claim that "It doesn't matter whether we win or loose in football. We'll still be better than you." a better illustration of why you are so detested could not have been asked for. It is precisely this type of institutional arrogance that Cal fans deservedly hate you for.
And Eric, I never took credit for Cal's resurgent program so I will have to decline your commendation. And I reject your absurd claim that "Big game losses don't change the fact that Stanford still doesn't care about Cal" as being nothing more than an apologist fallacy. Of course you care. If you didn't care you wouldn't have responded to my original post in the first place. And of course the school in general cares since it invests so much effort into its regional conflicts with Cal. If you really don't care about Cal, just take my advice and "tap out." Dump the Pac-10 and We'll replace you with Utah. Go hang out with the Ivies and take your asinine scatter band with you.

Report as: spam offensive Eric on 10/31/06 at 9pm

Sorry Cal fan, you're right. I do care when a fan of our rival school comes on our school newspaper website and pushes himself into a discussion with sweeping generalizing statements about the fan base of both schools. Sure, I care about the rivalry. I could amend my statement to: "You care more than we do." The fact of the matter is, to many of us, the rivalry is just this one game that is pretty fun and a bit bigger deal than the rest. Maybe that's the reason a lot of our students aren't as fanatical about football - it's not what we depend upon to prove our self worth as a school. We don't have to beat Cal to feel worthwhile, but for some reason fans like you need to tell Stanford fans all their pitfalls and glorify your side's perceived character traits in order to feel confident, or in order to get attention. As for your advice to "tap out" - well, seeing as I am a student and not the athletic director, I can't really take your advice, now, can I? Oh, and should all of our other athletic teams drop out of the pac-10 too because we blew it and hired a horrible coach after Ty? Again, football is not the be-all, end-all of our athletic department. Plus, I have way too much fun going up to Cal for big games and hearing all the witty insults you guys have cooked up in the past year - "Go eat some brie!" "you're totally spoiled!" "you're a fag homo nerd gay!" And all this, coming from a 42 year old whose 11 year old son is next to him giving the Stanford section the finger. Plus, who wants to miss the "pride" of "California" - the stiff and mediocre marching band? You know, the one that looks and sounds like 150 other marching bands in america? Hearing your crowd cheer ecstatically when they march around in a circle brings a smile to my face - right before I have to duck to avoid the apple that your sorority girlfriend just threw at me. God, I love Big Game.

Report as: spam offensive T on 11/01/06 at 12am

Cal people know they're at the lesser school and it kills them.

Report as: spam offensive Oski on 11/01/06 at 2am

Lesser? Well let's see, less tuition, less university hand holding, oh and less time to drop a class without penalty. Yup, Cal must be a lesser school.

Report as: spam offensive dudeguy on 11/01/06 at 11am

Oski, I fail to see how less time to drop a class is a good argument for your school. Your post was boring. at least Cal fan was marginally entertaining.

Report as: spam offensive T on 11/01/06 at 1pm

Obviously UC Berkeley is a fine school, so why not be proud of it instead of feeling like you have to try to insult other schools. Just makes you end up looking jealous and bitter. Stanford students don't seem to feel the animosity toward Cal folks that the Cal people feel toward Stanford. I mean, really, isn't it a little lame to come to another school paper's message board to insult the school?

Report as: spam offensive Eric on 11/02/06 at 2pm

Cal 2005, I enjoyed your post - well stated. However, I still disagree that you or other Cal fans have a good view into the level of school spirit on campus. I won't dispute that it's pretty low right now (for football - the rivalry is thriving in other sports). But, all you guys can see is attendance figures and op-eds. Attendance figures are deceiving, since the stadium would not be full even if every single student showed up for a game. Op-eds may give you a reasonable window into the state of things, but not a wholly accurate one. And especially not accurate enough to claim that our spirit is lower now than yours was in 2001. Having gone through my own 4 years of horrible football seasons, I can tell you that people still get excited about Big Game and the rivalry, even if we don't give our team half a chance. Yes, even those freshmen will be able to have a fun time at Big Game, since our buses drop us off on Frat Row and the trip is well worth it after just 15 minutes of drunken shit-talking. Big Game and the rivalry can be fun without hating each other, so while your side mixes up the hatorade, we'll just be laughing and having a good time. Still makes for a good rivalry!




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