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Report as: spam offensive Annie Vaughn on 10/24/06 at 6am

This is a fascinating article. I didn't really get it...but it seems good.

Report as: spam offensive C on 10/24/06 at 8am

It would be nice, for a change, to see Stanford students fighting for secure borders and real enforcement of immigration laws. Stanford's reputation is hurt when all it does it support left wing, politically correct and borderline anti-American politics.

Report as: spam offensive Mima Mohammed on 10/24/06 at 12pm

EDITORS - how about not using the term 'illegals' in the headline... it sounds pejorative, perhaps 'undocumented immigrant' or a term that doesn't sound like a slur...

Report as: spam offensive Luz Erendira Reyes on 10/24/06 at 4pm

I echo Mima's previous comment. I was greatly incensed and dissapointed by the highly politicized use of the term "illegal" in the headline for this otherwise very informative piece.
I was very displeased with the Daily because of this headline, and I hope that in the future headlines will be edited so as not detract readers from the otherwise great content.

Report as: spam offensive Managing News Editor on 10/24/06 at 6pm

Ms. Mohammed and Ms. Reyes- Unfortunately, we have space restrictions for headlines. As such, "illegals" fit, and that's what we ran with. I don't believe it is a misleading characterization of their status. And, even if it wasn't a perfect headline, the story is "otherwise very informative," as you point out. Best, David Herbert, Managing News Editor

Report as: spam offensive Lisa Llanos on 10/24/06 at 8pm

While I understand the restrictions any publication faces, I do not believe that this is any excuse for using terms that are seriously offensive to many, and in fact contradict one of the main slogans of the immigrants rights movement - "no human being is illegal." While I appreciate the Daily for writing an excellent article and by no means believe that the writer or the editors intended the word "illegal" to be offensive, I still believe it is the responsibility of the newspaper to recognize its lack of sensitivity in using this term and refrain from using it in the future.

Report as: spam offensive Stanis on 10/24/06 at 8pm

Of course some humans are illegal when they do not act according to the law. Our prisons are full of such people. If you want to change the law so that anyone can come into the US without restriction, fine, but do not try to claim that they are not illegally here.

Report as: spam offensive Will on 10/24/06 at 10pm

I don't understand why people use the word illegal. It makes as much sense as calling me an "illegal driver" because I ran a red or I speed on the 880. If anything I am a habitual speeder. For that reason I feel "undocument immigrant" makes more sense. Heck, I would even say "unlawful immigrant" is a more acceptable term (maybe not so pc though).

Report as: spam offensive Brendan on 10/25/06 at 12am

Will, here's a better example: you would be an "illegal driver," for example, if you drive without a license or if your license has been revoked. Perhaps not wonderful grammar, but also not inaccurate. Most of the comments here are examples of political correctness gone amock, and they misrepresent what progressive politics is about.

Report as: spam offensive TR on 10/25/06 at 8am

Managing Editor, thank you for your response! "Illegal" is the proper descriptive term. If some overly sensitive people's feelings are hurt by such a properly descriptive term, then that's their own issue. It seems to me the posters above want to obscure the fact that the people in question are illegal immigrants, and the posters seem to want to confuse illegal immigrants with those of us who chose to immigrate legally. Their P.C. complaints seem to be based on nothing but anti-border enforcement politics. It's only too bad the article itself does not adequately present all views nor its author seem to want to identify the people in question as being in this country illegally. In fact, the fairest part of the whole article is the headline, which was probably written by someone else.

Report as: spam offensive Jan Huisman on 10/25/06 at 5pm

The debate over the use of the word 'illegal' is difficult, to be sure. TR and other respondents are correct when saying that it is an accurate descriptive term. Yet migrant workers' illegal status stems from highly debatable laws. Many conservatives will argue that immigrants should not be here merely because they are illegal, thereby using highly evasive and empty rhetoric. For this reason the term 'illegal' should not become entrenched in the discourse regarding immigration, because it shuts down any open discussion about the reality and historical context of immigration.

Report as: spam offensive Michael Ortiz on 10/25/06 at 8pm

I really liked this article, but not as much as little boys..

Report as: spam offensive TR on 10/25/06 at 8pm

Jan and others, I have never heard anyone seriously argue against illegal immigration purely on grounds that it is illegal. That's a straw man argument if I've ever heard one. Sorry to have to state the obvious, but our country must have control over who is entering, not only for obvious economic reasons but also for national security. Right now there is no control whatsoever... border security is a complete farce. Maybe you think there is no good basis for national immigration law. Maybe you believe that the U.S. doesn't have a right to protect the interests of its citizens and maybe you believe national borders should just disappear, in which case you should just be honest and say that. But getting back to the issue of the headline, it's a shame that some will try to use the power of language to obscure and desensitize. The word "illegal" hurts feelings and, therefore, should be avoided? I don't think so. Of course we all understand why people would want to immigrate to the U.S., but that doesn't mean we need to give up our nation's sovereignty and right to self-preservation. What we need to do is resist the demands of the ridiculous politically correct language police that are heard so often at Stanford and elsewhere.

Report as: spam offensive Adrian G. on 10/26/06 at 12am

The debate over the headline reminds me of the debate over "evacuee" and "refugee" back in September '05. Both terms had arguments which backed their use, although one had a more negative connotation to it, no matter how accurate a descriptor it might have been. The use of the word "illegal" as opposed to another word (such as "immigrant") will inevitably put off some people, no matter how accurate it may be. In retrospect, perhaps a better, objective headline would have read "Law students join ACLU in fight for immigrants." This headline is shorter than the one used here while still getting the main idea of the story across. In any case, perhaps one of the main problems here with this story lies not with the headline itself in as much as the story never states that the immigrants are in the U.S. illegally (the word is not mentioned in the article). By using the word "illegals" in its headline, the Daily has inadvertantly passed judgement on four men who have not yet been judged by the courts, except to say that they should be detained.

Report as: spam offensive anonymous on 10/26/06 at 6pm

the comment from michael ortiz is not from him. it was a pathetic attempt of mine to be funny and make a joke. none of it is true. sorry.

Report as: spam offensive TR on 10/27/06 at 3am

Adrian G., you unwittingly make the point that the article seems to want to avoid identifying the people in question as illegal immigrants or non-citizens. Luckily, it seems that at least one person at the Daily knows the score and that is the page editor or whoever wrote the headline. OBVIOUSLY these people are illegal or non-citizens or else the Immigration Agency would not be involved. When was the last time you heard about Immigration getting involved in cases where U.S. citizens were accused of criminal acts or being security threats? Not very often. No matter how much some people want to use language to confuse the two, "immigrants" is not interchangeable with "illegal immigrants/illegal aliens/illegals" and to do so would be an insult to legal immigrants. The truth might be offensive to some people, but that doesn't mean it should be avoided. Another important thing to remember is that border control isn't a personal attack on anyone (after all, it's not a surprise that so many would jump a fence or dig a tunnel to enter this country illegally, especially given how the U.S. practically invites them to do so) but rather a necessity for our prosperity and security. The old and tired offensive/insensitive/racist/uncaring smear canard isn't working anymore as more and more people wisen up to our border problems. Just because these four might have been the ones handpicked or hilighted by the ACLU (possibly because of their supposed sympathetic sounding stories?), it doesn't mean we shouldn't be extra cautious with other people who come to this country and alledgedly commit felonies or otherwise threaten our security. And where's the concern that these detainees might in fact pose security risks? I guess all the concern and outrage is exhausted after being directed at perfectly accurate headlines that might hurt someone's feelings.

Report as: spam offensive Daniel Lopez on 10/29/06 at 5pm

I was simply shocked to see that Stanford University, a place that I have idolized since birth, would use the word "illegal" when speaking of undocumented human beings. TR's argument is ignorant at best. According to your argument, TR, the United States government has never faulted in anything it does. I think you would be a good advisor to the current tyrant we now have in office.

The fact is that the United States government is at fault for Latin American mass migration to the United States. NAFTA is the primary culprit because the avenues of trade are not evenly split. The US is free to export while many Latin American countries are unable to import their products. For example, Uruapan, Michoacan, Mexico is the world's largest producer of avocado yet we do not see any Mexican avocado in the U.S.! What Mexican state do you think has the largest population of immigrants to the US? You guessed it, Michoacan.

Oh, and one last thing TR...

What about the Canadian border? Do you, or anyone else for that matter, really believe that terrorists are going to come in through the Mexican border obstacle course when they have a door wide open through the Canadian border?
DONT BE RIDICULOUS!

Report as: spam offensive Alma Valencia, CSU Chico Student on 10/30/06 at 11am

I disagree with the title given to this article. Being a Mexican-American and college educated woman, I find the word "illegals" extremely offensive. Using this word only makes matters worse, instead of improving the Latino Community, it is bringing it down. Please think and educate yourself about the words used before publishing them. Thank you,


Alma Valencia
CSU, Chico Student

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